Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?

["Ralph Mitchell" <ralphmitchell (at) gmail.com>]

I think there's a certain amount of "who can we sue if it breaks"
mentality.  If a company contracts to pay $$$$ for a product, that gives
them a big stick to beat the supplier with in the event that something goes
wrong, to either fix the product or get their money back.  If the product is
free, worked on by a couple of guys in their spare time, there's no contract
and no comeback if it breaks.

Ralph Mitchell


On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Galen Johnson <Galen.Johnson (at) sas.com>wrote:

>  That's a bit of a fallacious argument.  How does a commercial product
> make that different?  If a solution is useful, regardless of whether it is
> commercial or free (or "better than free"), the knowledge base is
> available...if anything, it's better since we know what the code looks like
> and (if so inclined) are able to fix the shortcomings ourselves.
>
>
>
> =G=
>
>
>
> *From:* T.J. Yang [mailto:tj_yang (at) hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2008 1:01 PM
> *To:* hobbit system monitoring
>
> *Subject:* RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
>
>
>
>
> This is a off topic of xymon logo.
>
> But this bring up another issue/concern of mine(as an Unix admin) twoward
> Xymon.
>
> "Not able to pay for Xymon for support service from a company"
>
> This is feedback/comment I got from mangement (of mine).
>
> Trying to understand why, from their perspective and I think I got the
> answer as following.
>
> Management want to avoid the lock-in from admin also. They want your
> in-depth knowledge
> of the tool become a serivce that management can  get from other sources,
> not just in-house admins.
>
>
> tj yang
>
>
>
>
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> From: Galen.Johnson (at) sas.com
> To: hobbit (at) hswn.dk
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:41:41 -0500
> Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
>
>  That's always been one of the things I've never understood about
> companies...they don't think they are getting worthwhile software unless
> they pay through the nose for it.  Trust you admins and let them decide if
> it's worthwhile.  They're the ones that will be using it day to day.  I'll
> be the first to admit that there are some FOSS projects that aren't worth
> what you pay or them but they either get forked by people who care to make
> it better or they disappear altogether.
>
>
>
> =G=
>
>
>
> *From:* michael nemeth [mailto:michael.nemeth (at) lmco.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2008 12:26 PM
> *To:* hobbit (at) hswn.dk
> *Subject:* Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
>
>
>
> Yes ! Y our barely ok,  Corporate type hate "cute" logos./icons  and the'
> re distrustful enough when not
> ask to pay $1000s for a product.
>
> |I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer.
> |I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.
> T.J. Yang wrote:
>
> Agree, no rush but I hope this task should be going on at lesser priority.
>
> see xym.jpg in this attached email(it is only 16KB) so I think it is ok to
> be sent via this email.
> I don't know engough about GIMP yet. I hope the "X" has four hobbit colors
> in the devided four sections.
> let me know if you want the xym.xcf gimp file to continue the work.
>
> I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer.
> I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.
>
> Regards
>
> T.J. Yang
>
>
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>
> From: Vernon.Everett (at) woodside.com.au
> To: hobbit (at) hswn.dk
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:55:09 +0900
> Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
>
> I agree.
>
> Let's not rush into this.
>
> Remember, we live in a world where lawyers prowl, and they will sue you,
> simply because your logo looks a little bit like theirs, or uses the same
> colours as theirs, or makes people crap the same colour as their logo does.
>
> Hobbit worked fine for years without a logo, as did Linux, and many other
> products out there.
>
>
>
> I am not saying we need to wait years before we come up with a logo, I just
> don't believe we need to rush into this.
>
> Sometimes, when something doesn't need to be done, it is important that it
> isn't done.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>     Vernon
>
>
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> *From:* Ralph Mitchell [mailto:ralphmitchell (at) gmail.com<ralphmitchell (at) gmail.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Monday, 10 November 2008 11:41 PM
> *To:* hobbit (at) hswn.dk
> *Subject:* Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
>
> Uh, let's not go with something else that might be copyrighted...  :)
>
> Ralph Mitchell
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <Thomas.Kern (at) hq.doe.gov>
> wrote:
>
> Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds"
> http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm  ?
>
> /Thomas Kern
> /301-903-2211 (O)
> /301-905-6427 (M)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson (at) ordnancesurvey.co.uk]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06
> > To: hobbit (at) hswn.dk
>
> > Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
> >
> > I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my
> > insanity
> >
> > We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
> >
> > So some sort of traffic light logo with
> >
> > X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
> >
> > Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
> >
> > And MON with the O as the green light.
> >
> > Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual
> > look.
> >
> > Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
> >
>
> > Andrew Jackson
> > UNIX Systems Administrator
> > Server & Storage Services, Ordnance Survey
> > Room C633, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU
> > Phone: +44 (0) 23 8079 2848 | Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2757
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> > www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk <http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/>  |
>
> > andrew.jackson (at) ordnancesurvey.co.uk
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