[Xymon] Xymon, community, updates, and directions (was Re: Is this thing on?)
Josh Luthman
josh at imaginenetworksllc.com
Tue Aug 15 03:47:09 CEST 2023
What is there works beautifully for me. To say I appreciate the work that
everyone has done just doesn't begin to describe how it helped us grow.
In the near future I'd love to see a Rocky package. SSL would be kinda
neat I guess, but I subscribe to the notion that if you've got a mitm on
your system's network you have other problems to worry about anyway.
On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 6:39 PM Damien Martins via Xymon <xymon at xymon.com>
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> From: Damien Martins <damien at makelofine.org>
> To: "J.C. Cleaver" <cleaver at terabithia.org>
> Cc: Damien via Xymon <xymon at xymon.com>
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> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 00:38:28 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Xymon] Xymon, community, updates, and directions (was Re:
> Is this thing on?)
> If i had to vote for something: bring the code to a git(hub?) repo so
> people with required skills and time could contribute.
>
> Regards,
> Damien Martins
> Le 14 août 2023, à 22:57, "J.C. Cleaver" <cleaver at terabithia.org> a écrit:
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>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Catching up with the thread from these past few days, this seems the
>> proper place for me to chime back in.
>>
>> While it's possible to call xymon simply a quiet, stable project (which it
>> is, with many installs simply and quietly doing their jobs in the
>> background out there), it's also very fair to say that the project -- or
>> at least the plans I (and, I'll assume, Henrik) had for it has indeed
>> reached a stalling point.
>>
>> That doesn't mean it can't come out of a stall! But it does mean it takes
>> effort to resume work on.
>>
>>
>> Following on with others' comments, the Xymon codebase is somewhat...
>> intense. When I was performing near-daily performance enhancement and
>> tweaks for Xymon for $dayjob, there was a solid ability to stay in the
>> zone and I could add features as needed at a rapid clip. Since then, as I
>> moved on to other positions and responsibilities, my day-to-day
>> involvement with the code base dried up, and getting back into it can be
>> difficult unless you're doing a lot of C elsewhere and not spending it
>> cursing at kubernetes.
>>
>> In short, there's a significant ramp-up and re-ramp-up involved, as one
>> might expect from any mature codebase. While the underlying documentation
>> for use and administration is extremely thorough IMHO, an Intro for Devs
>> document was something we never followed through well on.
>>
>>
>> Development plans had at one point been something like:
>> - direct SSL support and/or message signing (probably the most frequently
>> requested things, for those for whom stunnel-wrapping was not an option)
>> - IPv6 (some of which is working in the 4.4 alpha branch)
>> - abstraction of remaining formatting to simple CSS to allow for skinning
>> and dashboarding
>>
>> I'd also had in mind things like a JSON endpoint version of
>> xymondx{log|board}, and a REST-based C shim .cgi, both of which could help
>> folks integrating Xymon with other monitoring systems out there.
>>
>>
>> Of course, the initial target was simply the forklifting of the many
>> performance enhancements and tweaks from the Terabithia RPMs into the
>> source tarball. This got pretty far there in the 4.4 branch, with only a
>> few major components not integrated. However debugging those components
>> and patches stalled out, especially with the need to maintain robust
>> pan-*nix compatibility.
>>
>> That, ultimately, is where we are now.
>>
>>
>> To kick things off: In the past, there had been requests to move the
>> source to Github in the hopes of creating an easier onramp for patch
>> submissions via PRs, bug reports, and the like. While I personally feel
>> like SF and svn would still work, I think this probably deserves to be
>> back on the table.
>>
>> In addition, Henrik had mentioned that we'll need a mailing list migration
>> at some point coming up soon.
>>
>>
>> Beyond that, to be honest I'm not sure what the next, best step is to
>> take. Life had indeed gotten in the way, to follow from the comment below,
>> as $dayjob+=4 and other responsibilities cropped up.
>>
>> I really welcome the entire community's input here going forward.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> J.C. Cleaver
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, August 14, 2023 09:58, Bruno Manzoni wrote:
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>>> Hellor Xymon Lovers I'm not a coder either, but I see there's quite a
>>> bit of brains out there (and I think if there are enough of us we can
>>> try to maintain and improve it). Perhaps the current officials could
>>> first tell us what their plans are and how we could help them. On our
>>> side, we can perhaps encourage them: it would be good to list what we
>>> can bring to the project, as some have done! - I try to maintain
>>> "devmon" (on the github repo) and some other xymon tool (I did try to
>>> understand how devmon is integrate to xymon, but I am not an expert in
>>> Xymon code) - I am a telecom engineer - I can give some some time - I am
>>> an independent and I have some infra to play with - Usually I speak
>>> swiss-french (so sorry for all my mistakes) Bruno
>>>
>>> On 14.08.2023 18:36, James Louis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is the Terabithia RPM also dead?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 10:03 AM Scot Kreienkamp
>>>> <Scot.Kreienkamp at la-z-boy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would be OK with contributing some as well…. But that’s not
>>>> what
>>>> Xymon needs. Xymon needs caretaker(s) to keep it relevant. That
>>>> means code updates to fix bugs, adapt it to new OS versions, etc.Â
>>>> Otherwise it will fade away to obscurity like many other open
>>>> source projects. I’m not a coder either, or I would gladly give
>>>> some time to it.
>>>>
>>>> *Scot Kreienkamp | Senior Linux Systems Engineer | La-Z-Boy
>>>> Corporate*
>>>> One La-Z-Boy Drive | Monroe, Michigan 48162 |( (734) 384-6403 | |
>>>> ) 1-734-915-1444 | Email: Scot.Kreienkamp at la-z-boy.com
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Rod <rodbass63 at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2023 10:56 AM
>>>> *To:* Ralph M <ralphmitchell at gmail.com>
>>>> *Cc:* Scot Kreienkamp <Scot.Kreienkamp at la-z-boy.com>; xymon >>
>>>> xymon at xymon.com <xymon at xymon.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Xymon] Is this thing on?
>>>>
>>>> I would like to continue the legacy. I'm not a developer but I'm
>>>> willing to pay for hosting space and the domain name to keep it
>>>> going for as long as I'm alive. Its kept me employed for a long
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 10:32 AM Ralph M <ralphmitchell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been using Xymon at several different employers since it
>>>> was BigBrother owned by a couple of guys in Canada. My
>>>> current Senior VP wants Xymon to go away. He hasn't actually
>>>> told me that directly, but I've heard it via another channel.Â
>>>> We have SolarWinds on some machines, but I've never even seen
>>>> the GUI for that. We're also distributing Oracle Enterprise
>>>> Manager (OEM) to a bunch of machines. I don't know for sure,
>>>> but I suspect a contracting company is whispering in my SVP's
>>>> ear to sell support for OEM. In the meantime, my Xymon server
>>>> has 878 days uptime and they're still trying to figure out how
>>>> to install and configure the OEM agents. It's going to be
>>>> tons of fun watching them try to replace all the little
>>>> scripts I've written with OEM equivalents.
>>>>
>>>> @Cristoph - I don't know if I can use stunnel. It's a
>>>> military-related company and there are all kinds of
>>>> restrictions that sometimes even make sense.
>>>>
>>>> Ralph Mitchell
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 9:41 AM Scot Kreienkamp
>>>> <Scot.Kreienkamp at la-z-boy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No new release since 2019, no activity on the mailing
>>>> list, I think it’s safe to say it’s flatlined. Sad to
>>>> see
>>>> it fade, I’ve been using it for a decade or more.
>>>>
>>>> *Scot Kreienkamp | Senior Linux Systems Engineer |
>>>> La-Z-Boy Corporate*
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>>>> *From:* Xymon <xymon-bounces at xymon.com> *On Behalf Of
>>>> *Neil Simmonds
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2023 5:29 AM
>>>> *To:* xymon >> xymon at xymon.com <xymon at xymon.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Xymon] Is this thing on?
>>>>
>>>> Is Xymon dying? No new release since 2019, There was a
>>>> roadmap in 2015 that mention Versions 4.4 up to 5 but
>>>> nothing seems to have moved on that.
>>>>
>>>> It feels like Xymon has become a static project that’s
>>>> going to fade away. That would be a shame as I for one
>>>> think it’s a great tool.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Xymon <xymon-bounces at xymon.com> *On Behalf Of
>>>> *Galen Johnson
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2023 3:01 AM
>>>> *To:* xymon >> xymon at xymon.com <xymon at xymon.com>
>>>> *Subject:* [Xymon] Is this thing on?
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> To: "J.C. Cleaver" <cleaver at terabithia.org>
> Cc: Damien via Xymon <xymon at xymon.com>
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> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 00:38:28 +0200
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