[hobbit] Input needed from all of you.

[Neil Franken]

Hi Josh.

CSS is incredibly powerfull as far as browser compatibility is concerned. IE 5.x had some issues with the layout model but there is a simple hack for it(look for box model hack and IE 5). IE 6 does not support hover attributes on anything but <a href> links. However since we wont rely on this particular feature our CSS will work on FF, IE, Safari, Chrome and Opera. Like I said we are not fundamentally changing things we are just getting the HTML leaner and meaner.

Regards
Neil



-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Luthman [mailto:josh at imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 05 July 2010 04:59 PM
To: hobbit at hswn.dk
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Input needed from all of you.

If it's all about skins I say we leave it alone.  Now if it has issues
with resolutions, I think it needs worked on.

>A Css based liquid layout.

I really like these, but how compatible are they?  I only use my
Windows XP/7 with Firefox to see them, which covers the majority of
the user base.

>I actually wanted to see what is the lowest resolution commonly used so we can accommodate for all.

640x480 would be super super small and be maybe 5 users around the
globe.  800x600 would cover a lot more compared to the previous
figure, but not a "huge chunk".

Josh Luthman
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continue that counts."
--- Winston Churchill



On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Neil Franken
<nfranken at theunlimitedworld.co.za> wrote:
> All valid points. Josh the current interface has no problems except that maybe skinning it is difficult. Some people might have specific needs on display resolutions, colour etc. I have a way to solve that.
>
> Here is my idea.
>
> A Css based liquid layout. Which depending on the size of the screen will scale up and down with ease. Removing the presentation mark-up from the HTML into a CSS making the HTML even more lightweight. In all respects this is not a rewrite of the Interface. It is a simple modification which will allow the HTML to be more portable and more lightweight without major rework. Thus no ajax,flash graphics or anything like that. The actual structure of the site i.e. link and how the site behaves will remain identical to the current site. Just a little CSS magic to make it even better.
>
> I actually wanted to see what is the lowest resolution commonly used so we can accommodate for all. If you guys need more convincing go read about liquid layouts in CSS. The thing I liked most about Xymon is that the website interface is fast, tiny and easy to use. My mission is to make is lighter and slighty faster with more portability. Yes there might be some minor altering of the layout but nothing major(i.e getting rid of tables and replacing with div tags, menu navigation without a js script needed and so on). If we can get this site to run on CSS proper i.e. no presentation in the mark-up skinning it to your needs will be a simple matter of changing the CSS.
>
> Questions, comments?
>
> Regards
> Neil
>
> PS. Check out this website for more real examples on liquid layouts http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/layouts/category/C13/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Luthman [mailto:josh at imaginenetworksllc.com]
> Sent: 05 July 2010 04:33 PM
> To: hobbit at hswn.dk
> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Input needed from all of you.
>
> Excellent point, which brings me to ask a very good question:
>
> What doesn't work about the current interface?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:28 AM,  <wshart at hormel.com> wrote:
>> I haven't been following this thread real closely, however I want to throw
>> up a bit of a warning.
>>
>> It's all fine and dandy to develop a wiz-bang page that looks great on your
>> 15000x240000 screens, but remember day-to-day usage is not necessarily the
>> critical time when you will be using the product.  I see a lot of use from
>> people who don't normally leverage it during disaster times.  This is not a
>> good time to have to worry about the screen resolution.  Many times a 15"
>> CRT is all that is sitting around and what we are forced to use short term
>> because it's all we can find.  If the page is formatted for a monster
>> screen it's going to be very difficult to get a good picture of where we
>> actually stand.
>>
>> It could just be the situations I've been in where this comes into play and
>> no one else ever has to worry about it, but I have seen it happen a number
>> of times, so my vote is to stick with the simple and fast rendering pages
>> that anything can view.  Or possibly offer up an option so both sets of
>> pages are still available.
>>
>> Bill Hart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:   "Neil Franken" <nfranken at theunlimitedworld.co.za>
>> To:     <hobbit at hswn.dk>
>> Date:   07/05/2010 09:16 AM
>> Subject:        RE: [hobbit] Input needed from all of you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cool Guys.
>>
>> From what I can see we will need a fluid layout for PC's. We would need
>> some other layouts for mobile devices. Thanks for the information.
>>
>> Regards
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Arlofski [mailto:waa-hobbitml at revpol.com]
>> Sent: 05 July 2010 04:00 PM
>> To: hobbit at hswn.dk
>> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Input needed from all of you.
>>
>> On 07/05/10 05:09, Neil Franken wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> As we are in a planning stage I need YOUR help. One of the things we
>>> have on our hit list is the web interface(might be for a later
>> release).
>>> Here is how you can help. Send me the resolutions of the screen you
>> most
>>> commonly use to view your Xymon pages. This information will help
>>> greatly with the development going further.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Neil
>>
>> Hi Neil... I see a lot of people listing high resolutions -  like my two
>> screens @ 1680x1050 each...
>>
>> But let's not forget about my Nokia N900 @ 800x480 and other mobile
>> devices
>> when considering redesigns. Some of my clients VPN into their networks
>> and use
>> their iPhone to check their Xymon status.
>>
>> Thanks!  :)
>>
>> --
>> Bill Arlofski
>> Reverse Polarity, LLC
>> http://www.revpol.com/
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