[Xymon] Xymon, community, updates, and directions (was Re: Is this thing on?)
Damien Martins
damien at makelofine.org
Tue Aug 15 00:38:28 CEST 2023
If i had to vote for something: bring the code to a git(hub?) repo so people with required skills and time could contribute.
Regards,
Damien Martins
Le 14 août 2023, 22:57, à 22:57, "J.C. Cleaver" <cleaver at terabithia.org> a écrit:
>
>Hello all,
>
>Catching up with the thread from these past few days, this seems the
>proper place for me to chime back in.
>
>While it's possible to call xymon simply a quiet, stable project (which
>it
>is, with many installs simply and quietly doing their jobs in the
>background out there), it's also very fair to say that the project --
>or
>at least the plans I (and, I'll assume, Henrik) had for it has indeed
>reached a stalling point.
>
>That doesn't mean it can't come out of a stall! But it does mean it
>takes
>effort to resume work on.
>
>
>Following on with others' comments, the Xymon codebase is somewhat...
>intense. When I was performing near-daily performance enhancement and
>tweaks for Xymon for $dayjob, there was a solid ability to stay in the
>zone and I could add features as needed at a rapid clip. Since then, as
>I
>moved on to other positions and responsibilities, my day-to-day
>involvement with the code base dried up, and getting back into it can
>be
>difficult unless you're doing a lot of C elsewhere and not spending it
>cursing at kubernetes.
>
>In short, there's a significant ramp-up and re-ramp-up involved, as one
>might expect from any mature codebase. While the underlying
>documentation
>for use and administration is extremely thorough IMHO, an Intro for
>Devs
>document was something we never followed through well on.
>
>
>Development plans had at one point been something like:
>- direct SSL support and/or message signing (probably the most
>frequently
>requested things, for those for whom stunnel-wrapping was not an
>option)
>- IPv6 (some of which is working in the 4.4 alpha branch)
>- abstraction of remaining formatting to simple CSS to allow for
>skinning
>and dashboarding
>
>I'd also had in mind things like a JSON endpoint version of
>xymondx{log|board}, and a REST-based C shim .cgi, both of which could
>help
>folks integrating Xymon with other monitoring systems out there.
>
>
>Of course, the initial target was simply the forklifting of the many
>performance enhancements and tweaks from the Terabithia RPMs into the
>source tarball. This got pretty far there in the 4.4 branch, with only
>a
>few major components not integrated. However debugging those components
>and patches stalled out, especially with the need to maintain robust
>pan-*nix compatibility.
>
>That, ultimately, is where we are now.
>
>
>To kick things off: In the past, there had been requests to move the
>source to Github in the hopes of creating an easier onramp for patch
>submissions via PRs, bug reports, and the like. While I personally feel
>like SF and svn would still work, I think this probably deserves to be
>back on the table.
>
>In addition, Henrik had mentioned that we'll need a mailing list
>migration
>at some point coming up soon.
>
>
>Beyond that, to be honest I'm not sure what the next, best step is to
>take. Life had indeed gotten in the way, to follow from the comment
>below,
>as $dayjob+=4 and other responsibilities cropped up.
>
>I really welcome the entire community's input here going forward.
>
>
>Regards,
>J.C. Cleaver
>
>
>
>On Mon, August 14, 2023 09:58, Bruno Manzoni wrote:
>> Hellor Xymon Lovers I'm not a coder either, but I see there's quite a
>> bit of brains out there (and I think if there are enough of us we can
>> try to maintain and improve it). Perhaps the current officials could
>> first tell us what their plans are and how we could help them. On our
>> side, we can perhaps encourage them: it would be good to list what we
>> can bring to the project, as some have done! - I try to maintain
>> "devmon" (on the github repo) and some other xymon tool (I did try to
>> understand how devmon is integrate to xymon, but I am not an expert
>in
>> Xymon code) - I am a telecom engineer - I can give some some time - I
>am
>> an independent and I have some infra to play with - Usually I speak
>> swiss-french (so sorry for all my mistakes) Bruno
>>
>> On 14.08.2023 18:36, James Louis wrote:
>>> Is the Terabithia RPM also dead?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 10:03 AM Scot Kreienkamp
>>> <Scot.Kreienkamp at la-z-boy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would be OK with contributing some as well…. But that’s
>not
>>> what
>>> Xymon needs. Xymon needs caretaker(s) to keep it relevant.Â
>That
>>> means code updates to fix bugs, adapt it to new OS versions,
>etc.Â
>>> Otherwise it will fade away to obscurity like many other open
>>> source projects. I’m not a coder either, or I would gladly
>give
>>> some time to it.
>>>
>>> *Scot Kreienkamp | Senior Linux Systems Engineer | La-Z-Boy
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>>> *From:* Rod <rodbass63 at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2023 10:56 AM
>>> *To:* Ralph M <ralphmitchell at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* Scot Kreienkamp <Scot.Kreienkamp at la-z-boy.com>; xymon >>
>>> xymon at xymon.com <xymon at xymon.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Xymon] Is this thing on?
>>>
>>> I would like to continue the legacy. I'm not a developer but I'm
>>> willing to pay for hosting space and the domain name to keep it
>>> going for as long as I'm alive. Its kept me employed for a long
>>> time.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 10:32 AM Ralph M
><ralphmitchell at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been using Xymon at several different employers since
>it
>>> was BigBrother owned by a couple of guys in Canada. My
>>> current Senior VP wants Xymon to go away. He hasn't
>actually
>>> told me that directly, but I've heard it via another
>channel.Â
>>> We have SolarWinds on some machines, but I've never even
>seen
>>> the GUI for that. We're also distributing Oracle
>Enterprise
>>> Manager (OEM) to a bunch of machines. I don't know for
>sure,
>>> but I suspect a contracting company is whispering in my
>SVP's
>>> ear to sell support for OEM. In the meantime, my Xymon
>server
>>> has 878 days uptime and they're still trying to figure out
>how
>>> to install and configure the OEM agents. It's going to be
>>> tons of fun watching them try to replace all the little
>>> scripts I've written with OEM equivalents.
>>>
>>> @Cristoph - I don't know if I can use stunnel. It's a
>>> military-related company and there are all kinds of
>>> restrictions that sometimes even make sense.
>>>
>>> Ralph Mitchell
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 9:41 AM Scot Kreienkamp
>>> <Scot.Kreienkamp at la-z-boy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No new release since 2019, no activity on the mailing
>>> list, I think it’s safe to say it’s flatlined. Sad
>to
>>> see
>>> it fade, I’ve been using it for a decade or more.
>>>
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>>> *From:* Xymon <xymon-bounces at xymon.com> *On Behalf Of
>>> *Neil Simmonds
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2023 5:29 AM
>>> *To:* xymon >> xymon at xymon.com <xymon at xymon.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Xymon] Is this thing on?
>>>
>>> Is Xymon dying? No new release since 2019, There was a
>>> roadmap in 2015 that mention Versions 4.4 up to 5 but
>>> nothing seems to have moved on that.
>>>
>>> It feels like Xymon has become a static project that’s
>>> going to fade away. That would be a shame as I for one
>>> think it’s a great tool.
>>>
>>> *From:* Xymon <xymon-bounces at xymon.com> *On Behalf Of
>>> *Galen Johnson
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2023 3:01 AM
>>> *To:* xymon >> xymon at xymon.com <xymon at xymon.com>
>>> *Subject:* [Xymon] Is this thing on?
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