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<div>Cool. Thanks again Steve.</div>
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<div>That was my reasoning for using the page directives too – eg, use the page directives to control alerts. I think I need to do some clean up on those hosts files and includes now. :)</div>
<div>I need to experiment with the group-compress too so I can understand the effects as I need to clean up some columns on those pages.</div>
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<div>Same here for the CLASS directive – I have a win32 in there, but haven't been able to figure out how best to use it.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Steve Holmes <<a href="mailto:sholmes42@mac.com">sholmes42@mac.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:39:11 -0400<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Don Kuhlman <<a href="mailto:don.kuhlman@schawk.com">don.kuhlman@schawk.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Xymon] Thought Process for Xymon Page Layout - Sanity Check<br>
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I use group-compress rather than group-only, that way I don't have to predict which columns to show.<br>
I've never been able to get the CLASS thing to work. I tried, but either I don't understand it or it just doesn't work :-).
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I rely heavily on the page directives for controlling alerts. It works for us. <br>
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<div>Thanks Steve! I appreciate your thoughtful response. More questions…</div>
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<div>Do you use the "group-only" directives to add or remove columns on your pages or do you use the "Class" directives to help arrange and organize things, or do you strictly use the page categories to help with alerts and notifications?</div>
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<div>Or maybe I am misunderstanding the use of the Class: directives from the man page. Is it only for log file monitoring?</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Steve Holmes <<a href="mailto:sholmes42@mac.com" target="_blank">sholmes42@mac.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:59:05 -0400<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Don Kuhlman <<a href="mailto:don.kuhlman@schawk.com" target="_blank">don.kuhlman@schawk.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Xymon] Thought Process for Xymon Page Layout - Sanity Check<br>
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Don,<br>
We have wrestled with the same issues. We started with systems organized by OS (Unix/Windows) and then as more apps became multi-platform have moved away from the platform centric organization, with some exceptions. The reason for the change is so we can see
at a glance when there is a problem in a service we support so when there is a problem the customers for that service can be notified, unless the problem is fixed before the customers have to be notified (which is the big payoff with using Xymon).
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Our main page contains 3 groups:<br>
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Services<br>
Platform Support<br>
Infrastructure<br>
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Under Services there are sub pages:<br>
Production<br>
Non-Production<br>
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Under Platform Support there is currently only:<br>
Platform Windows Servers<br>
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Under Infrastructure:<br>
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Authentication<br>
Network<br>
Server Provisioning<br>
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Prod and non-prod each have a list of application/service areas as sub pages, each of which is a list of hosts in logical groups with no respect for OS platform. Within the groups the hosts are listed in alpha order.
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Pre-production contains hosts which are not in production yet, but will be heading there (with some arm twisting at times). The reason for this is the OPS center only calls support for alerts that show up on a production page. Hosts in pre-prod (as well as
non-prod) can fail without causing a call.<br>
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Decommissioned is where we put host entries for hosts that are just that. We keep them there for a year after they've gone off line in case someone wants to see the history. They all have noconn and all the NOPROPS so they don't show up anywhere else.<br>
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The Infrastructure group is also production, but not application specific. This is an area currently under development so it is incomplete. There we have network devices, DNS servers, and the like.<br>
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Platform Support was a special request from the Windows admins to group all of the windows servers in one place (with duplicate entries) so they don't have to look through all of the application pages to find their servers. The Platform Windows Servers sub
page contains sub pages for Prod and Non-Prod, each of which is grouped by application area. Yes, this duplicates the work I have to do when Windows systems are added, but they know that if they don't tell me exactly where to put the duplicate entry it won't
go in. We could also put a page in there for Linux/Solaris admins, but that hasn't been requested, yet.<br>
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Many times when a new server shows up in the ghost report I have to ask the admins for information about where it should go. Our naming convention helps, but not totally.
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Side note: OPS likes to watch the all-non-green page. But that contains non-green tests for non-prod as well as prod. I would really like to be able to provide them with an all-non-green-prod-only (for lack of better terminology) so they could easily see what
they need to. Putting NOPROPS on all non-prod would prevent the admins from being able to use the same page to watch everything. Something I'm not willing to do.<br>
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<div>Hi folks. I have been modifying our xymon server host cfg file setups. I have been moving page layouts around. I thought I would send a note to the list to see what others are doing in their web page layouts just to have a sanity check…</div>
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<div>Do you set up your main page to list things by OS, then by environment – like this:</div>
<div>Unix - then Prod, Dev, Test, Uat, etc.</div>
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<div>Do you also use Application groups and then arrange them by OS and environment ?</div>
<div>App1, Unix, Prod</div>
<div>App1, Unix, Dev</div>
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<div>Here's what I've been doing and I'm having second thoughts about the logic of doing it this way:</div>
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<div>Main xymon page lists the following Pages </div>
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<div>Server lists by hostname<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>Applications<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>Infrastructure<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>Other Systems</div>
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<div>Under Server lists by hostname – I have now made up UNIX-MAC and WINDOWS</div>
<div>Under each of these I have PROD and DEV</div>
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<div>Under the Applications I have several business Applications - </div>
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<div>In each of the App1, App2, App3, I have Prod and Dev subpages</div>
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<div>I'm creating include files for each category – like HostsApp1Prod.cfg, HostsApp1Dev.cfg, HostsApp2Prod.cfg, HostsApp2Dev.cfg, etc.</div>
<div>Now that I've changed it, I will probably need to create new HostsApp1ProdUnixMac.cfg, HostsApp1ProdWindows.cfg</div>
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<div>I would like to be able to setup base rules for monitoring the Prod & Dev systems – Prod disk, mem, cpu is different than Dev disk, mem, cpu, etc. That's why I thought breaking out by OS and then environment would make sense.</div>
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<div>Then I want to create very specific service, process, or other monitoring for the application servers.</div>
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<div>Does this seem like a good way to go, or am I making it too complicated by breaking everything down this way?</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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<div>Don K</div>
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