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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="569542413-23122010">I am using 4.3 b2. Split-NCV has been around for some time now. To get this to work in the 4.3 b2 version I needed to make some changes to the code due
to a bug "not sure if this showed up in the version I'm running or not" and recompile as shown in this post:
</span></font><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><a href="http://www.xymon.com/archive/2009/07/msg00241.html">http://www.xymon.com/archive/2009/07/msg00241.html</a></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="569542413-23122010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">From the MAN page from hobbitd_rrd version 4.2.2 talks about split-ncv. Its the same commands as NCV.</font></span></div>
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<h2>CUSTOM RRD DATA IN NAME-COLON-VALUE (NCV) FORMAT</h2>
Many data-collection scripts report data in the form "NAME : value" or "NAME = value". So a generic module in hobbitd_rrd allows for easy tracking of this type of data.
<p>The "ncv" module will automatically detect all occurrences of a "NAME : value" or "NAME = value" string in a status message, and generate an RRD file holding all of the name/value data found in the message (unless you use SPLITNCV, see above). The colon-
or equal-sign must be present - if there is only whitespace, this module will fail.
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<p>Only the valid letters (A-Z, a-z) and digits (0-9) are used in the dataset names; whitespace and other characters are stripped off automatically. Only the first 19 characters of a dataset name are used (this is an RRD limitation). Underscore '_' is not allowed,
even though RRDtool permits this, and will be stripped from the name. </p>
<p>When using the alternative SPLITNCV_testname, the dataset name is not limited in length, and non-valid characters are changed to underscores instead of being stripped off. The dataset inside the resulting rrd file is always "lambda".
</p>
<p>Note that each "NAME : value" must be on a line by itself. If you have a custom script generating the status- or data-message that is fed into the NCV handler, make sure it inserts a newline before each of the data-items you want to track.
</p>
<p>To enable the ncv module for a status, add a "COLUMNNAME=ncv" to the TEST2RRD setting and the COLUMNNAME to the GRAPHS setting in
<i><a href="https://big-bro.llbean.com/xymon/help/manpages/man5/hobbitserver.cfg.5.html"><font color="#810081">hobbitserver.cfg</font></a>(5)</i> , then restart Xymon. Xymon will now send all status-messages for the column COLUMNNAME through the hobbitd_rrd
ncv-handler. </p>
<p>The name of the RRD file will be COLUMNNAME.rrd. When using SPLITNCV, the name of the RRD file will be COLUMNAME,DATASETNAME.rrd.
</p>
<p>By default, all of the datasets are generated as the RRD type "DERIVE" which works for all types of monotonically increasing counters. If you have data that are of the type GAUGE, you can override the default via an environment variable NCV_COLUMNNAME (or
SPLITNCV_COLUMNAME). </p>
<p>E.g. if you are using the bb-mysqlstatus script from <a href="http://www.deadcat.net/">
www.deadcat.net</a> to collect data about your MySQL server, it generates a report in the column called "mysql". One data item is the average number of queries/second, which must be logged in the RRD file as type "GAUGE". To do that, add the following to hobbitserver.cfg:
<br>
<br>
NCV_mysql="Queriespersecondavg:GAUGE" <br>
If you have multiple datasets that you myst define, add them to the environment variable separated by commas, e.g.
<br>
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NCV_mysql="Uptime:NONE,Queriespersecondavg:GAUGE" <br>
</p>
<p>The dataset type "NONE" used above causes hobbitd_rrd to ignore this data, it is not included in the RRD file.
</p>
<p>You can use "*" as the dataset name to match all datasets not listed. E.g. <br>
<br>
NCV_weather="Rain:DERIVE,*:GAUGE" <br>
will cause the "Rainfall" dataset to be of type DERIVE, and all others of type GAUGE. If you want to track only a few of the variables in your data, you can use "*:NONE" to drop any dataset not explicitly listed.
</p>
<p>For a more detailed "how to" description, see the on-line HTML documentation of "How to create graph custom data" available in the Help menu section on your Xymon server.
</p>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> SEGLARD, Thomas [mailto:tseglard@wat.tv]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> xymon@xymon.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [xymon] RE: graph a sum from different graphs<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">Hi Bill, Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">Do i need a Xymon version > 4.2 to be able to use SPLITNCV ? I have only on my production environment the 4.2.3 version deployed. Next question is do you have any doc about the use of this module ? Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">Sincerly,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">ThomaS <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">De :</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Bill Richardson [mailto:wrichardson@llbean.com]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> lundi 20 décembre 2010 17:21<br>
<b>À :</b> xymon@xymon.com<br>
<b>Objet :</b> RE: [xymon] RE: graph a sum from different graphs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have found using SPLITNCV is the best way to go on custom graphing. With SPLITNCV you have a separate rrd for each DS so at least you don't loose all your graphing just
the one DS that may have changed. Even if you have one that changed at least you can still look at the old rrd and have history to look at. So in your case you have a new DS and like magic a new rrd is created. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-US"> SEGLARD, Thomas [mailto:tseglard@wat.tv]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 17, 2010 9:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> xymon@xymon.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [xymon] RE: graph a sum from different graphs</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">Hello to every people on the list,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">And thanks very much Bill ! I will try very soon and keep you in touch with this. In a more general way do you (the list) think that, in the future, it will be possible to easily add or remove DS definition
inside rrds ? Actually, i’s a pain to add new DS definition inside rrd without do a rm xxx.rrd and let Xymon to recreate it. If you have a clue…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">Sincerly,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">ThomaS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">De :</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Bill Richardson [mailto:wrichardson@llbean.com]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 15 décembre 2010 16:22<br>
<b>À :</b> xymon@xymon.com<br>
<b>Objet :</b> [xymon] RE: graph a sum from different graphs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thomas,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Here is what I'm doing to sum data from multiply rrd's and display on one graph "all data combined and sum'd in one line". I have not done this with bandwidth
data but its the same basic thing. Its really easy to do. The trick is knowing that the graph will show up under the trends column and you must create a blank rrd file that matches your graph definition.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">First use the rrdtool command to find out what your DS values are. In my example I'm using lambda. In your bandwidth rrd you will have 2 ds's one for in bits and
one for out bits.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">cd to your $xymon_home/data/rrd/host1</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">rrdtool dump your.rrd|more</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My example:</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">rrdtool dump msu,grp.rrd |more<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><!-- Round Robin Database Dump --><rrd> <version> 0003 </version><br>
<step> 300 </step> <!-- Seconds --><br>
<lastupdate> 1292424133 </lastupdate> <!-- 2010-12-15 09:42:13 EST --></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <ds><br>
<name> lambda </name><br>
<type> GAUGE </type><br>
<minimal_heartbeat> 600 </minimal_heartbeat><br>
<min> NaN </min><br>
<max> NaN </max></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <!-- PDP Status --><br>
<last_ds> 317 </last_ds><br>
<value> 4.2161000000e+04 </value><br>
<unknown_sec> 0 </unknown_sec><br>
</ds></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Based on the above data you are ready to build your graph definition in $xymon_home/server/etc/hobbitgraph.cfg. Since you will be looking at bandwidth in your
CDEF you may want to add some more math "8,*" to get the right numbers. You could even add another CDEF line like CDEF:avg_total2=avg_total,8,* just to keep it simple</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">[combined]<br>
TITLE Combined Example</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> -h 140<br>
-w 592<br>
YAXIS <br>
DEF:cf1_avg_sum=/home/xymon/data/rrd/host1/msu,avg.rrd:lambda:AVERAGE<br>
DEF:cf2_avg_sum=/home/xymon/data/rrd/host2/msu,avg.rrd:lambda:AVERAGE<br>
DEF:cf3_avg_sum=/home/xymon/data/rrd/host2/msu,avg.rrd:lambda:AVERAGE<br>
CDEF:avg_total=cf1_avg_sum,cf2_avg_sum,+,cf3_avg_sum,+<br>
AREA:avg_total#aaaaaa:Combined Example<br>
COMMENT:\n<br>
GPRINT:avg_total:LAST:AVG \: %5.1lf%s (cur)<br>
GPRINT:avg_total:MAX: \: %5.1lf%s (max)<br>
GPRINT:avg_total:MIN: \: %5.1lf%s (min)<br>
GPRINT:avg_total:AVERAGE: \: %5.1lf%s (avg)</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Now edit $xymon_home/server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg look for "GRAPHS=" "this is the one to have it show up on the trends column" add your graph definition name to
the end of this line. in this example you would add ",combined""</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The last step the "Trick" is to create a blank "dummy" rrd file that matches your graph definition under what ever host/device you want this data to show up under.
So in this case if I wanted to see this graph under host1 I would do the following:</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">"Create a dummy rrd file"</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">touch combined.rrd</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Now you should see a new "combined graph" under the trends column of host1.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Troubleshooting is simple...</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">1.) When you look under the trends column and see a red X not graphing data then your graph definition is wrong go back and fix this in hobbitgraph,cfg</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">2.) If you see no red X and no graph at all you didn't add the graph definition name to the hobbitserver.cfg or you didn't add the dummy rrd file to $zymon_home/data/rrd/$host.
Check spelling and case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-US"> SEGLARD, Thomas [mailto:tseglard@wat.tv]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> xymon@xymon.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [xymon] graph a sum from different graphs</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m sorry for asking you this question again but I really can’t figure how to graph a sum of values coming from other graphes. Basically I want to make a graph of the total bandwidth consumed by a pool of servers. For this I would like
to use the values coming from the ifstat graph of each server. What will be the best solution ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As I said I asked this question before and got answer from two people but I was not able to have the proposed solution working. So if you have other ideas you’re very welcome !<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I thank you very much for your answers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sincerly,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ThomaS<o:p></o:p></p>
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