I think there's a certain amount of "who can we sue if it breaks" mentality. If a company contracts to pay $$$$ for a product, that gives them a big stick to beat the supplier with in the event that something goes wrong, to either fix the product or get their money back. If the product is free, worked on by a couple of guys in their spare time, there's no contract and no comeback if it breaks.<br>
<br>Ralph Mitchell<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Galen Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Galen.Johnson@sas.com">Galen.Johnson@sas.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">That's a bit of a fallacious argument. How does a commercial
product make that different? If a solution is useful, regardless of whether it
is commercial or free (or "better than free"), the knowledge base is
available...if anything, it's better since we know what the code looks like and
(if so inclined) are able to fix the shortcomings ourselves.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">=G=</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> T.J. Yang
[mailto:<a href="mailto:tj_yang@hotmail.com" target="_blank">tj_yang@hotmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 10, 2008 1:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> hobbit system monitoring<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?</div></div></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br>
This is a off topic of xymon logo.<br>
<br>
But this bring up another issue/concern of mine(as an Unix admin) twoward
Xymon.<br>
<br>
"Not able to pay for Xymon for support service from a company"<br>
<br>
This is feedback/comment I got from mangement (of mine).<br>
<br>
Trying to understand why, from their perspective and I think I got the answer
as following.<br>
<br>
Management want to avoid the lock-in from admin also. They want your in-depth
knowledge<br>
of the tool become a serivce that management can get from other
sources, not just in-house admins.<br>
<br>
<br>
tj yang<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:Galen.Johnson@sas.com" target="_blank">Galen.Johnson@sas.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk" target="_blank">hobbit@hswn.dk</a><br>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:41:41 -0500<br>
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?<br>
<br>
</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">That's always been one of the things I've never understood about
companies...they don't think they are getting worthwhile software unless they
pay through the nose for it. Trust you admins and let them decide if it's
worthwhile. They're the ones that will be using it day to day. I'll
be the first to admit that there are some FOSS projects that aren't worth what
you pay or them but they either get forked by people who care to make it better
or they disappear altogether.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">=G=</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> michael nemeth
[mailto:<a href="mailto:michael.nemeth@lmco.com" target="_blank">michael.nemeth@lmco.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 10, 2008 12:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk" target="_blank">hobbit@hswn.dk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Yes
! Y our barely ok, Corporate type hate "cute"
logos./icons and the' re distrustful enough when not <br>
ask to pay $1000s for a product. <br>
<br>
|I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer.<br>
|I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.<br>
T.J. Yang wrote: </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Agree, no rush but I hope this task should
be going on at lesser priority.<br>
<br>
see xym.jpg in this attached email(it is only 16KB) so I think it is ok to be
sent via this email.<br>
I don't know engough about GIMP yet. I hope the "X" has four hobbit
colors in the devided four sections.<br>
let me know if you want the xym.xcf gimp file to continue the work.<br>
<br>
I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer.<br>
I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
T.J. Yang<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:Vernon.Everett@woodside.com.au" target="_blank">Vernon.Everett@woodside.com.au</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk" target="_blank">hobbit@hswn.dk</a><br>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:55:09 +0900<br>
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?</span></p>
<p><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">I agree.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">Let's not rush into this.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">Remember, we live in a
world where lawyers prowl, and they will sue you, simply because your logo
looks a little bit like theirs, or uses the same colours as theirs, or makes
people crap the same colour as their logo does.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">Hobbit worked fine for
years without a logo, as did Linux, and many other products out there.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">I am not saying we need to
wait years before we come up with a logo, I just don't believe we need to rush
into this.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">Sometimes, when something
doesn't need to be done, it is important that it isn't done.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">Regards</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;"> Vernon</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Ralph Mitchell [<a href="mailto:ralphmitchell@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:ralphmitchell@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 November 2008 11:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk" target="_blank">hobbit@hswn.dk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Uh, let's not go with something else that
might be copyrighted... :)<br>
<br>
Ralph Mitchell</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">On
Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <<a href="mailto:Thomas.Kern@hq.doe.gov" target="_blank">Thomas.Kern@hq.doe.gov</a>> wrote:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Sort
of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds"<br>
<a href="http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm" target="_blank">http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm</a>
?<br>
<br>
/Thomas Kern<br>
/301-903-2211 (O)<br>
/301-905-6427 (M)</span></p>
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<br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:<a href="mailto:Andrew.Jackson@ordnancesurvey.co.uk" target="_blank">Andrew.Jackson@ordnancesurvey.co.uk</a>]<br>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk" target="_blank">hobbit@hswn.dk</a></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">>
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?<br>
><br>
> I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my<br>
> insanity<br>
><br>
> We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display<br>
><br>
> So some sort of traffic light logo with<br>
><br>
> X imposed on the red light - we don't want that<br>
><br>
> Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber<br>
><br>
> And MON with the O as the green light.<br>
><br>
> Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual<br>
> look.<br>
><br>
> Right I'll crawl back under my stone now<br>
></span></p>
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