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color=#0000ff size=2>look in the docs for "summary"</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Josh Luthman
[mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 05,
2007 2:36 PM<BR><B>To:</B> hobbit@hswn.dk<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [hobbit] Two
BBDisplays, one collaboration<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Honestly either one would work for me - I'd like to go for whatever
is easiest to maintain, so option b would be my preference.<BR><BR>I see on
the demo site that at the bottom it has an SSLUG remote host. The links
go to the remote bbdisplay, making it so that if IPs or hosts need to be
changed, they're only changed on this one server. <BR><BR>This would be
perfect for my situation, though I don't know what the tyge or www tests are
or what changed I need to do. I would imagine it is simply adding a
couple of lines in bb-hosts though it may include bblocation in the
hobbitserver.cfg.<BR><BR>Does anyone know how Henrik got his demo site setup
like that?<BR><BR>Josh<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 11/5/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Hubbard,
Greg L</B> <<A href="mailto:greg.hubbard@eds.com">
greg.hubbard@eds.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Ah. You have a couple of options.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>a)
configure each client (at a customer location) to send to the local server
as well as the main server. This means that your customer clients must
all appear in the bb-hosts in your main server, as well as in the bb-hosts
for the server at the customer location.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>b)
(might work) -- you can have the Hobbit server at the customer location send
up a summary to your main server. You will get a single dot that shows
the overall status of that customer. The dot is linked to the Hobbit
page on the remote server. This way you don't have to keep updating
your central server as hosts come and go at remote
locations.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>And you
can mix and match these methods.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>GLH</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN class=q><B>From:</B> Josh Luthman
[mailto:<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com"
target=_blank>josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</A>] <BR></SPAN><B>Sent:</B>
Monday, November 05, 2007 1:22 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
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<DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_1161174f1aff4bb4_3><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [hobbit] Two BBDisplays, one
collaboration<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>I can't scp the entire host list, nor would I need to - it
isn't going to change and the hosts are not identical.<BR><BR>Let me tell
you how the overall picture looks. We have a main Hobbit server that
monitors our backbone, customers' home routers, WWW servers and
things. Now we're adding a Hobbit at a hotel's LAN. The first
step was to get Hobbit running there on its own little world and ping the
access points. Now the next step, where I'm stuck, is to duplicate
the information that is sent from bbtest to the bbdisplay on our company
Hobbit. <BR><BR>The hotel's list of hosts is limited - their APs and a
couple of their guest/lobby PCs. Ours needs to have the things it
has currently, but another page that includes the hotel's
hosts.<BR><BR>Sorry, I know I'm terrible at explaining my own situations
=( <BR><BR>Josh<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 11/5/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Tod
Hansmann</B> <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:thansmann@directpointe.com"
target=_blank>thansmann@directpointe.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We just scp the
hostlist from one to the others anytime changes are made. You
could probably do this in a cron-job as well.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do you have
BBLOCATION set? You shouldn't if you're not using
Net:foo</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do the displays
have the entire bb-hosts file from both? The bb-gen won't generate
pages for any of the hosts it doesn't know about via bb-hosts.
Have you verified that hobbit is getting the status messages from one
server to the other? Lastly, I'm picking at straws here, but do
you have any errors in the bb-display log? </SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
Josh Luthman [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com"
target=_blank>josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</A>] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN> </B>Monday, November 05, 2007
11:04 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk"
target=_blank>hobbit@hswn.dk</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [hobbit] Two
BBDisplays, one collaboration</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tod,<BR><BR>I've configured it that way and
neither of the www pages have any information (concerning these
hosts). I do know that 1984 is "connectable" from the new Hobbit
server (tested with nmap).<BR><BR>Any other ideas out there? From
what little I know about this it seems like this Net option is just an
extra step, it doesn't seem required - is this true? What is the
simplest way of getting the list of hosts on both bbdisplays?
<BR><BR>Josh</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 11/5/07, <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Tod Hansmann</SPAN></B> <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:thansmann@directpointe.com"
target=_blank>thansmann@directpointe.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, we have two
servers doing tests, and they display their own tests, and also send
alerts to the main display. So the main display is an aggregate of
both test servers. This looks to be similar to what you're doing,
so I hope that helps put the rest of this info in
context.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is the
testers:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BBDISP="<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://0.0.0.0" target=_blank> 0.0.0.0 </A>"</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BBDISPLAYS="<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://127.0.0.1" target=_blank> 127.0.0.1</A>
ip.of.main.display"</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
------ more stuff -------</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BBLOCATION="poller1"</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The BBLOCATION
is important to the setup. I'll point out why in a moment.
Also, ip.of.main.display is the same in both configs
here.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is the
main display:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BBSERVERIP="ip.of.main.display"</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BBDISP="$BBSERVERIP"</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BBDISPLAYS=""</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
------ more stuff -------</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BBLOCATION="display"</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now in the
bb-hosts file, I have Net:poller1 with all the hosts poller1 polls, and
Net:poller2 with all the hosts poller2 polls. This may not be
useful in the setup you're trying to get working, but it can't hurt to
include. I think your original config is the one to go with, but I
might go with <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://127.0.0.1" target=_blank>127.0.0.1</A> and no spaces.
I'm pretty sure the BBDISPLAYS just has bbtest-net send it to everything
in that list when it has a status message. Also note that port
1984 will have to be opened appropriately on any
firewalls.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Way more info
than you probably need, but I do hope some of it
helps.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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Hansmann</SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
Josh Luthman [mailto: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com"
target=_blank>josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</A>] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN> </B>Saturday, November 03, 2007
12:58 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk"
target=_blank>hobbit@hswn.dk</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [hobbit] Two BBDisplays,
one collaboration</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">What I am trying to do is have two BBDisplay
servers. The first one being our main one - monitors our network
equipment and things - and a second one that lives on the customer's
network and pings APs, Switches, etc.<BR><BR>I have setup this in
bb-hosts on the main one:<BR><BR clear=all>page HIXX Holiday Inn X
X<BR>group-compress <H3><I>Access
Points</I></H3><BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://1.2.3.4" target=_blank>1.2.3.4</A> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://host.com" target=_blank>host.com</A> # noconn
<BR><BR>group-compress <H3><I>HIDM
Hardware</I></H3><BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://2.3.4.5" target=_blank>2.3.4.5</A> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://host2.com" target=_blank>host2.com</A> # noconn
<BR><BR>Reason for the noconn is that these are all private IPs,
accessible only by the customer's LAN. These configuration match
those of the customer's bb-hosts (with the exception of noconn, of
course =)<BR><BR>I then went into the customer's
server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg and changed it as such:<BR><BR>BBDISP="<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://0.0.0.0" target=_blank> 0.0.0.0</A>"<BR>BBDISPLAYS=" <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://10.59.1.119"
target=_blank>10.59.1.119</A>,MAINSERVERPUBLIC"<BR><BR>I have also tried
it without quotes<BR><BR>When I set this neither BBDisplay has anything
on the www pages, they're completely blank! Once I switch it to
<BR><BR>BBDISP="$BBSERVERIP"
# IP of a single hobbit/bbd server<BR>BBDISPLAYS=""<BR><BR>It works
perfectly fine on the customer's server, but the main one is display
blank (obviously =)<BR><BR>Please let me know where I went wrong.
Thanks in advance!<BR><BR>Josh<BR><BR>-- <BR>Josh Luthman<BR>Office:
937-552-2340<BR>Direct: 937-552-2343<BR>1100 Wayne St<BR>Suite
1337<BR>Troy, OH 45373<BR><BR>Those who don't understand UNIX are
condemned to reinvent it, poorly.<BR>--- Henry Spencer
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Josh
Luthman<BR>Office: 937-552-2340<BR>Direct: 937-552-2343<BR>1100 Wayne
St<BR>Suite 1337<BR>Troy, OH 45373<BR><BR>Those who don't understand
UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. <BR>--- Henry Spencer
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Luthman<BR>Office: 937-552-2340<BR>Direct: 937-552-2343<BR>1100 Wayne
St<BR>Suite 1337<BR>Troy, OH 45373<BR><BR>Those who don't understand UNIX
are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. <BR>--- Henry Spencer
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<BR>Josh Luthman<BR>Office: 937-552-2340<BR>Direct: 937-552-2343<BR>1100 Wayne
St<BR>Suite 1337<BR>Troy, OH 45373<BR><BR>Those who don't understand UNIX are
condemned to reinvent it, poorly. <BR>--- Henry Spencer
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