I just tried this:<br><br>Going to the main hobbit server and adding the summary line:<br>summary holidayinn.All holidayinn.ip.1.2 <a href="http://holidayinn/hobbit/">http://holidayinn/hobbit/</a><br><br>When I did this the main server contacted the hotel server and the at the bottom of
bb.html on the hotel server had this summary. Oops?<br><br>Next I put that same config with the reverse IP on the hotel server. This worked and voids my last question question above.<br><br>Thank you all for your help! Thanks a ton!
<br><br>Josh<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/5/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Hubbard, Greg L</b> <<a href="mailto:greg.hubbard@eds.com">greg.hubbard@eds.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">That sounds about right. I don't know of any
alternative if you can't drill into the remote server. If it is not
accessible, then you are probably hosed in many ways.</font></span></div><br>
<blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;">
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us">
<hr>
<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span class="q"><b>From:</b> Josh Luthman
[mailto:<a href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</a>] <br></span><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 05,
2007 2:57 PM</font><div><span class="e" id="q_11611ade9b316a08_3"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">hobbit@hswn.dk
</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [hobbit] Two
BBDisplays, one collaboration<br></font></span></div><br></div><div><span class="e" id="q_11611ade9b316a08_5">
<div></div>If I understand this correctly, on the main Hobbit server I would
add:<br><br>Summary Vegas.All pub.lic.i.p <a href="http://vegas.foo.com/hobbit/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://vegas.foo.com/hobbit/</a>
<br><br>Correct?<br><br>What would be an alternative solution should I find
myself not able to access the web pages from outside the hotel
network?<br><br>Thanks a lot for your help Greg - slowly but surely, I'm
getting it =) <br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/5/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Hubbard,
Greg L</b> <<a href="mailto:greg.hubbard@eds.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">greg.hubbard@eds.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">look in
the docs for "summary"</font></span></div><br>
<blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;">
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us">
<hr>
<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span><b>From:</b> Josh Luthman
[mailto:<a href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</a>] <br></span><b>Sent:</b>
Monday, November 05, 2007 2:36 PM</font>
<div><span><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">hobbit@hswn.dk
</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [hobbit] Two BBDisplays, one
collaboration<br></font></span></div><br></div>
<div><span>
<div></div>Honestly either one would work for me - I'd like to go for
whatever is easiest to maintain, so option b would be my
preference.<br><br>I see on the demo site that at the bottom it has an
SSLUG remote host. The links go to the remote bbdisplay, making it
so that if IPs or hosts need to be changed, they're only changed on this
one server. <br><br>This would be perfect for my situation, though I don't
know what the tyge or www tests are or what changed I need to do. I
would imagine it is simply adding a couple of lines in bb-hosts though it
may include bblocation in the hobbitserver.cfg.<br><br>Does anyone know
how Henrik got his demo site setup like that?<br><br>Josh<br><br><br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/5/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Hubbard, Greg L</b> <<a href="mailto:greg.hubbard@eds.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
greg.hubbard@eds.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Ah. You have a couple of options.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">a)
configure each client (at a customer location) to send to the local
server as well as the main server. This means that your customer
clients must all appear in the bb-hosts in your main server, as well as
in the bb-hosts for the server at the customer
location.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">b)
(might work) -- you can have the Hobbit server at the customer location
send up a summary to your main server. You will get a single dot
that shows the overall status of that customer. The dot is linked
to the Hobbit page on the remote server. This way you don't have
to keep updating your central server as hosts come and go at remote
locations.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">And
you can mix and match these methods.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">GLH</font></span></div><br>
<blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;">
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us">
<hr>
<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span><b>From:</b> Josh Luthman [mailto:<a href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">josh@imaginenetworksllc.com
</a>] <br></span><b>Sent:</b>
Monday, November 05, 2007 1:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">hobbit@hswn.dk</a></font>
<div><span><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [hobbit]
Two BBDisplays, one collaboration<br></font></span></div><br></div>
<div><span>
<div></div>I can't scp the entire host list, nor would I need to - it
isn't going to change and the hosts are not identical.<br><br>Let me
tell you how the overall picture looks. We have a main Hobbit
server that monitors our backbone, customers' home routers, WWW
servers and things. Now we're adding a Hobbit at a hotel's
LAN. The first step was to get Hobbit running there on its own
little world and ping the access points. Now the next step,
where I'm stuck, is to duplicate the information that is sent from
bbtest to the bbdisplay on our company Hobbit. <br><br>The hotel's
list of hosts is limited - their APs and a couple of their guest/lobby
PCs. Ours needs to have the things it has currently, but another
page that includes the hotel's hosts.<br><br>Sorry, I know I'm
terrible at explaining my own situations =( <br><br>Josh<br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/5/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Tod
Hansmann</b> <<a href="mailto:thansmann@directpointe.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">thansmann@directpointe.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div vlink="blue" link="blue" lang="EN-US">
<div>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">We just scp
the hostlist from one to the others anytime changes are made.
You could probably do this in a cron-job as well.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Do you have
BBLOCATION set? You shouldn't if you're not using
Net:foo</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Do the
displays have the entire bb-hosts file from both? The bb-gen
won't generate pages for any of the hosts it doesn't know about via
bb-hosts. Have you verified that hobbit is getting the status
messages from one server to the other? Lastly, I'm picking at
straws here, but do you have any errors in the bb-display log?
</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<div>
<p><b><font color="#3c4b51" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(60, 75, 81); font-family: Arial;">Tod
Hansmann</span></font></b><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"></span></font></p>
<p><font color="#3c4b51" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(60, 75, 81); font-family: Arial;">Network
Engineer</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"></span></font></p>
<p><font color="#3c4b51" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(60, 75, 81); font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy;"><a title="http://www.directpointe.com/" href="http://www.directpointe.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<span title="http://www.directpointe.com/"><span title="http://www.directpointe.com/"><span title="http://www.directpointe.com/"><span title="http://www.directpointe.com/"><span title="http://www.directpointe.com/"><span title="http://www.directpointe.com/">
<font color="navy"><span style="color: navy; text-decoration: none;"><img title="http://www.directpointe.com/" border="0" height="22" width="108"></span></font></span></span></span></span></span></span></a></span> </font>
</p></div>
<div>
<div style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
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</span></font></div>
<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
Josh Luthman
[mailto:<a href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</a>] <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent: </span>
</b>Monday, November 05, 2007
11:04 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">hobbit@hswn.dk</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">
Subject:</span></b> Re: [hobbit] Two
BBDisplays, one collaboration</span></font></p></div>
<div><span>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font> </p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Tod,<br><br>I've configured it
that way and neither of the www pages have any information
(concerning these hosts). I do know that 1984 is "connectable"
from the new Hobbit server (tested with nmap).<br><br>Any other
ideas out there? From what little I know about this it seems
like this Net option is just an extra step, it doesn't seem required
- is this true? What is the simplest way of getting the list
of hosts on both bbdisplays? <br><br>Josh</span></font></p>
<div>
<p><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On 11/5/07, <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Tod Hansmann</span></b> <<a href="mailto:thansmann@directpointe.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
thansmann@directpointe.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></span></p>
<div vlink="blue" link="blue">
<div>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">So, we have
two servers doing tests, and they display their own tests, and also
send alerts to the main display. So the main display is an
aggregate of both test servers. This looks to be similar to
what you're doing, so I hope that helps put the rest of this info in
context.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">This is the
testers:</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">BBDISP="<a href="http://0.0.0.0" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
0.0.0.0 </a>"</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">BBDISPLAYS="<a href="http://127.0.0.1" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
127.0.0.1</a>
ip.of.main.display"</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">
------ more stuff -------</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">BBLOCATION="poller1"</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">The
BBLOCATION is important to the setup. I'll point out why in a
moment. Also, ip.of.main.display is the same in both configs
here.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">This is the
main display:</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">BBSERVERIP="ip.of.main.display"</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">BBDISP="$BBSERVERIP"</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">BBDISPLAYS=""</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">
------ more stuff -------</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">BBLOCATION="display"</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Now in the
bb-hosts file, I have Net:poller1 with all the hosts poller1 polls,
and Net:poller2 with all the hosts poller2 polls. This may not
be useful in the setup you're trying to get working, but it can't
hurt to include. I think your original config is the one to go
with, but I might go with <a href="http://127.0.0.1" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">127.0.0.1</a> and no
spaces. I'm pretty sure the BBDISPLAYS just has bbtest-net
send it to everything in that list when it has a status
message. Also note that port 1984 will have to be opened
appropriately on any firewalls.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Way more
info than you probably need, but I do hope some of it
helps.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<div>
<p><b><font color="#3c4b51" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(60, 75, 81); font-family: Arial;">Tod
Hansmann</span></font></b></p>
<p><font color="#3c4b51" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(60, 75, 81); font-family: Arial;">Network
Engineer</span></font></p>
<p><font color="#3c4b51" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(60, 75, 81); font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy;"><a title="http://www.directpointe.com/" href="http://www.directpointe.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<span title="http://www.directpointe.com/"><span title="http://www.directpointe.com/"><span title="http://www.directpointe.com/"><span title="http://www.directpointe.com/"><span title="http://www.directpointe.com/"><span title="http://www.directpointe.com/">
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</p></div>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
Josh Luthman [mailto:
<a href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</a>] <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent: </span></b>Saturday, November 03,
2007 12:58 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:hobbit@hswn.dk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">hobbit@hswn.dk</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [hobbit] Two
BBDisplays, one collaboration</span></font></p></div>
<div><span>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">What I am trying to do is have two BBDisplay
servers. The first one being our main one - monitors our
network equipment and things - and a second one that lives on the
customer's network and pings APs, Switches, etc.<br><br>I have setup
this in bb-hosts on the main one:<br><br clear="all">page HIXX Holiday
Inn X X<br>group-compress <H3><I>Access
Points</I></H3><br><a href="http://1.2.3.4" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">1.2.3.4</a> <a href="http://host.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
host.com</a> # noconn
<br><br>group-compress <H3><I>HIDM
Hardware</I></H3><br><a href="http://2.3.4.5" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">2.3.4.5</a> <a href="http://host2.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
host2.com</a> # noconn
<br><br>Reason for the noconn is that these are all private IPs,
accessible only by the customer's LAN. These configuration
match those of the customer's bb-hosts (with the exception of
noconn, of course =)<br><br>I then went into the customer's
server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg and changed it as
such:<br><br>BBDISP="<a href="http://0.0.0.0" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> 0.0.0.0</a>"<br>BBDISPLAYS=" <a href="http://10.59.1.119" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
10.59.1.119</a>,MAINSERVERPUBLIC"<br><br>I have also
tried it without quotes<br><br>When I set this neither BBDisplay has
anything on the www pages, they're completely blank! Once I
switch it to
<br><br>BBDISP="$BBSERVERIP"
# IP of a single hobbit/bbd server<br>BBDISPLAYS=""<br><br>It works
perfectly fine on the customer's server, but the main one is display
blank (obviously =)<br><br>Please let me know where I went
wrong. Thanks in advance!<br><br>Josh<br><br>-- <br>Josh
Luthman<br>Office: 937-552-2340<br>Direct: 937-552-2343<br>1100
Wayne St<br>Suite 1337<br>Troy, OH 45373<br><br>Those who don't
understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.<br>--- Henry
Spencer </span></font></p></span></div></div></div>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br clear="all"></span></font></p></div>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Josh
Luthman<br>Office: 937-552-2340<br>Direct: 937-552-2343<br>1100
Wayne St<br>Suite 1337<br>Troy, OH 45373<br><br>Those who don't
understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. <br>--- Henry
Spencer </span></font></p></span></div></div></div><br clear="all"></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Josh
Luthman<br>Office: 937-552-2340<br>Direct: 937-552-2343<br>1100 Wayne
St<br>Suite 1337<br>Troy, OH 45373<br><br>Those who don't understand
UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. <br>--- Henry Spencer
</span></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Josh Luthman<br>Office: 937-552-2340<br>Direct:
937-552-2343<br>1100 Wayne St<br>Suite 1337<br>Troy, OH 45373<br><br>Those
who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. <br>---
Henry Spencer </span></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Josh Luthman<br>Office: 937-552-2340<br>Direct:
937-552-2343<br>1100 Wayne St<br>Suite 1337<br>Troy, OH 45373<br><br>Those who
don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. <br>--- Henry
Spencer </span></div></blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Josh Luthman<br>Office: 937-552-2340<br>Direct: 937-552-2343<br>1100 Wayne St<br>Suite 1337<br>Troy, OH 45373<br><br>Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
<br>--- Henry Spencer